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Wednesday, August 22, 2007
11:47 - Quarter Pounder with Cheese
http://awesome.goodmagazine.com/transparency/006/trans006weights.html

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I'm sure I've bitched about this before, but... speaking as an engineer and someone with a very expensive hard-science education at a school where one's HP 48GX was as precious as one's spindly right arm and making-taped glasses, I bristle at statements like this, from Gruber:

Good Magazine on the history of the official definition of the meter. Includes this humiliating nugget: “There are only three countries that do not use the metric system: Liberia, Myanmar, and the United States.”

Humiliating, eh? Why, because we're just too stupid to see the obvious merits of metric? Can't be because we have good reasons not to adopt it, can it? Nah.

The English system of length measurement is based on the number 12. Not 10. Why? Well, how's this for starters: 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12. That means you can evenly divide up the length of a piece of wood with just a few brief mental calculations. 12 is based on natural divisions of items you can hold in your hand—a dozen marbles or a dozen nails can be swirled around and portioned out evenly with a finger or two. 12's factors appear all over nature: halves, thirds, quarters, sixths, like you see everywhere from honeycombs to graphite molecules. But 10? 10 is based on nothing in nature but the fact that the human hand has five fingers on it. Really. The only reason 10 is special to us is that that's what we can count to on our hands. And for that dubious benefit, we've sacrificed the ability to divide our goods evenly into thirds or fourths at our discretion—just so that we can raise their number by a power by merely adding a zero. If you think that's a win, talk to the carpenter who has to measure lengths down to the 0.625.

Liquid measure is equally hobbled by the insistence on the Mighty Ten. Time was that we had a system based on powers of two: divide a gallon into fourths to get quarts, then divide in half and in half again for pints, cups, and so on. True, the names are quaint, but look past the names and you'll see a system optimally designed for the very purposes you need liquid measurements for: dividing liquids evenly so you can dilute them or apportion them, whether in chemistry, brewing, or serving food. When you insist on a 10-based liquid measurement system, you find yourself juggling numbers like 3.125 and 0.15625, and for what? So you can congratulate yourself on the fact that a cubic centimeter of water is the same thing as a milliliter, and that it weighs a gram?

What people love to point out about the metric system is that its measures are based on fundamental units taken from the natural world; but really, that's hardly an argument at all. What good is it that the meter is supposed to be the circular length from the pole of the Earth to the equator with the decimal point moved over a bunch of times? Some French guy thought that the dimensions of the Earth should for some reason be the basis for all length measures, and by doing a bunch of number-juggling he found that he could get it down to an almost usable length, something we'd been calling a "yard" forever, but which was formerly made up of three of a much handier unit: the foot, which describes something you can hold in your hands and divide up with your fingers, not something you have to measure with a stick that you have to keep in your closet or behind your desk. What, in the real world, does that have to do with how far it is from the North Pole to the equator on this lumpy, imperfect sphere of rock we live on, anyway? Why do we have to work with wonky units like "decimeters" if we want something that kindasorta resembles a hand-holdable length unit?

And for that matter, who cares if a cubic decimeter of water is a kilogram? Is that really any easier to remember than any other arbitrary conversion, or any easier to calculate? I remember having to refer to the table of decimal conversions in the back of my science books to figure out just how many places to move the point left, and then right, in order to arrive at the answer—and trying oh-so-hard to convince myself that the very act of trundling up and down that chain of powers of ten somehow proved how much easier the metric system was to grasp in the human brain. I wish I'd realized at the time just how far from that "ideal" the reality really was: that I could have saved plenty of time and space in my brain by jettisoning those useless "shortcut" decimal conversion factors and simply doing the appropriate multiplication or division operation. Or, better yet, using one of those newfangled calculator dealies we were all taking to carrying around. Funny how we never made decimal-place errors when we were multiplying things by 5280 instead of trying to remember whether we were supposed to move the dot up 8 or 9 places.

And let's not even get into the matter of Celsius versus Fahrenheit. "Oh, but it's based on water!" friends will tell me. "Zero is freezing and 100 is boiling! It makes perfect sense!" Yeah, if you happen to live your life at STP, I guess. Meanwhile, as it turns out, the scale of 0-100 Centigrade has very little relevance to humans, whose comfort levels are between... um... zero and 100 Fahrenheit. Because it was a medical scale. Imperfectly defined, to be sure, but again, it's not like we all live at sea level and 1 atmosphere of pressure where water freezes at exactly 0°C either. But now we have a scale with less resolution (my Audi's climate control has a whole extra digit of space so you can use Celsius mode and set the temp to 0.5-degree increments) and much more prevalent pain-in-the-ass negative values. For what? So we can wave our hands agitatedly and make vague, pompous, incoherent claims about cubic measurements of water changing temperature within standardized units of time that we never use in real life anyway?

Finally, purely on aesthetic grounds—which of these two statements do you prefer?

"Wow, that thing must be a mile long!"
"Wow, that thing must be a kilometer long!"


Friends from Caltech tell me stories... like the one where two grad students in a research team, one from France and one from Germany, who had never experienced anything but the metric system, came to the U.S. to do academic work. At first they were horrified at our backward system. But within three or four months, they were sold on it. Practical experience and exposure to the kind of work that the English system was created for gave them a whole new outlook and appreciation for decisions made hundreds of years before they were born, by people who were every bit as smart as a couple of European grad students in a lab, if not more so. Sometimes the things we inherit actually do make sense. Our ancestors were not all crazy. And if we eventually do adopt the metric system and the English units drop from our collective consciousness, I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone rediscovers it—or recreates it—a century from now, recognizing that there are ways in which the metric system could be greatly and materially improved.

Humiliating? Hardly. Call me a backward provincial hick if you want, but I'll wear my inches and feet and quarts and degrees F as a badge of honor.

UPDATE: And just what, pray tell, was wrong with pounds and shillings and pence?

... Okay, just kidding.

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34 comments

1. Mike Silverman - 14:18 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

Now, if we could only get rid of the damn "ounce" measurement, or at least name it something else so you don't have fluid ounces and solid ounces, one volume and one weight. Every time I see something measure in ounces, I want to run to the metric system.

Also (and believe me, I know the joy of being contrarian) the metric system is much better for measuring scientifically because it relies on the power of ten, and in our base ten numerical system, that makes life much easier. The English measurements are great for eyballing stuff and relating measurements to real world ideals (a foot of snow is much easier to imagine then say 25 centimeters of snow), but for give me power of 10 measurements over English measurements any day for scientific applications.

2. Chris Cogdon - 14:49 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

Mlong ; μread

3. Aaron - 15:02 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

There's obviously only one solution: genetically engineer everyone to have twelve fingers, invent two new digits, and institute Imperial measurements worldwide.

4. kbiel - 15:47 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

Aaron,

That's only slightly more farcical than the EU edict that all merchants in their member states use metric.

Brian,

I'm going to have to agree with Mike on this one. As one who studied physics, the metric system makes more sense when applied to the theoretical or to measurements outside the human range of experience (such as the speed of light, astronomical distances or measurements at the molecular, atomic and subatomic levels). Within the human range of experience, such as driving, cooking, building structures, et cetera, the standard system (whether imperial or U.S.) is clearly the winner.

5. Brian Tiemann - 15:51 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

Sure, no argument there; as I was careful to point out, my background has plenty of theoretical physics in it too, to say nothing of astronomy/planetary science. Granted that metric is a boon in those applications. Scientific notation on English units just looks stupid.

But that doesn't help us poor sods who care more for counting nuts and bolts and calculating mileage than for looking through a telescope and calculating star lifetimes... :)

6. Dave - 15:57 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

In my profession (graphic design and lay-out), using decimal numbers would be vastly easier, since I tend to be making non-intuitive calculations constantly—I’ve had to memorize fraction-decimal conversions down to sixteenths. Personally, I prefer being able to slide decimals around in my head; I find it vastly easier. For that matter, most of my hobbies, such as pen-and-paper role-playing games, have involved lots of abstract calculations.

On the other hand, I don’t cook very much—nor do I garden, paint, or play handyman, other than the occasional Ikea-style furniture assembly. In short, I don’t work often on real objects with my hands, I tend to work with my mind on abstract or nearly abstract things.

Essentially, what it boils down to is whether one is apportioning objects or substances by hand or by calculation. The Imperial system is easier for one apple, two apples, three apples; the metric system is easier for anything one is not handling directly.

As for the Imperial volume measurement—ye gods! Six of this in that, four of that in the other, two of the other in something else, and a profusion of names that is impossible to keep straight. Give me a nice, clean set of suffixes and a set of prefixes that always mean the same thing.

Come to think of it, the same argument applies throughout the Imperial system. Twelve of this in that, three of that in the other, one thousand seven hundred sixty of the other in something else . . . yikes!

7. Dave - 16:01 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

. . . And then, while I’m typing my own polemic, people sneak in and post theirs making the same points! Humph. :-)

8. Brian Tiemann - 16:02 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

What is there six of in Imperial volume measurement?

9. Michael Tinkler - 17:12 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

Two pieces of information:

My students THRILL to me teaching them how to count to 144 (a Gross, of course) on their fingers the way ancient Mesopotamians did.

All the Englishmen I chat with online still prefer to describe themselves by Imperial measures - and some of them even use stone to quantify weight. I'll admit that on the Continent men think of themselves in metric units, but how long has it been since England adopted the system?

10. bob - 17:34 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

You're comfortable at 0F? I much prefer 0C

11. Lileks - 18:55 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

I think you're wrong. I prefer to measure distance by the metric system rather than a strange, nonsense term like "the foot." (What is a "foot," anyway? Never been explained to my satisfaction.) No, when I walk, I like to use the metric system, which is based on the number of fingers I possess. Of course, I walk on my hands.

12. Stephen - 19:53 Wed 8/22/2007 ( web )

"What is a 'foot,' anyway?"

I believe it originated as the actual measurement's of somebody's foot. Henry the VIIIth's perhaps?

And an inch was the length of the first joint of that same person's thumb.

13. Brian Tiemann - 20:05 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

If true, that would have been one huge (or at least well-endowed, nudge nudge) king. Though I guess it would explain why you use a "ruler" to measure one.

Ba-dump-bump.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_%28unit_of_length%29)

14. J.M. Heinrichs - 20:20 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

Well, if no one else will ...
Backward Provincial Hick!
Antimetricist!

Cheers

15. cq - 20:38 Wed 8/22/2007

It can be reduced to this:

The English system is designed for commerce (especially human-scale commerce). A dozen, a gross, a foot, a yard, a pint, a gallon. Easy to subdivide into whole integers, as pointed out.

The Metric system is designed for science. Math, math, math with extremes of scales.

Science and commerce are not the same. The measurement system which serves each exists for very good reasons, in both cases devised by people far smarter than anyone who's ever posted on this blog. Kindly accept that both are prevalent because they work for their field of endeavor, and that the people who use either are not "idiots". Yes, the future is the metric system. But unless you're a nationalistic prick, that doesn't make Americans "stupid" for using our current system. It works.

Both systems' base units are arbitrary. One system's arbitrary base units are in no way superior to the other's. A gram is in no way superior than an ounce. A meter is in no way superior to a foot. Hey, I can specify one twelfth of a meter as legitimately as I can specify 3.2808 inches. Base units do not imply divisors. A kilogram is as valid as a kilopound; the base unit of mass in metric is NOT the kilogram, it's the gram.

So let us have our pounds, and tend to your own grams. My socket set has both, and that's a fact nobody else really has any business worrying (or legislating) about.

16. Anthony - 21:19 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email )

Celsius is actually quite useful:

0C is freezing.
10C is chilly (50F)
20C is the thermostat setting for heat, and the temperature where you don't need a coat (68)
25C is the thermostat setting for cooling, and a very pleasnt outdoor temperature (77)
30C is pleasantly warm outdoors (86F)
37C is body temperature (98.6F)
40C is about as hot as most of the Bay Area gets most of the summer (104F)
50C is hotter than it gets almost anywhere, except Death Valley or Redding. (122F)

On the other hand, there's the Furlong-Firkin-Fortnight system of units.

17. J Greely - 22:43 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

Hmm:

-18C is inside my freezer.
3C is inside my fridge.
19C is inside my data center.
21C is inside my house.
52C is about right for beef.
56C is inside my laptop.
60C is safe for pork.
74C is safe for chicken.
400C is the surface of my backyard grill.

18. Jim Hu - 23:31 Wed 8/22/2007 ( email | web )

It's worse...the unitards want to dictate counterintuitive stuff within the metric system too

19. Dave - 00:15 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

What is there six of in Imperial volume measurement?

I don’t know. And that’s my point. It’s confusing as hell.

20. Brian Tiemann - 01:21 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

Yeah, well, my point is that it's not. It's all powers of two. Half and half and half and half, just like in computers. No sixes. :)

21. Jay Random - 03:15 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email )

No sixes that I know of, but there are fives and nines. An Imperial pint equals four gills, and an Imperial gill equals FIVE Imperial ounces.

The real Imperial system, by the way, does not have the U.S. problem with dry vs. fluid ounces. One Imperial ounce of water at standard temperature and pressure is the same amount by weight or by volume. This useful innovation postdated the settlement of the American colonies. The U.S. liquid gallon is based on the old English wine gallon, also called the Queen Anne gallon, which is about five-sixths of an ale gallon, the ancestor of the modern Imperial gallon. To confuse matters further, there is also the dry or Winchester gallon, which is rarely used but still maintains a shadowy existence in the U.S.

There is no Imperial unit called a cup; Englishmen will look at you funny if you start talking in U.S. recipe units, which are a system unto themselves. There is no British unit in between the gill and the pint, though half a pint (of beer) is colloquially called simply a half.

NINE Imperial gallons equal one firkin; four firkins equal one barrel, if you're measuring beer, but the standard oil barrel is 42 U.S. gallons or 34.97231575 Imperial gallons. On the other hand, a U.S. beer barrel is legally defined as 31.5 U.S. gallons, just three-quarters of an oil barrel or about 72% of a U.K. beer barrel. There's something for the moonshiners to get riled about.

A U.S. hogshead contains 63 U.S. gallons (which are by no means the same as Imperial gallons), but there are various Imperial hogsheads, each proper to a different liquid, ranging from 52.5 to 140 Imperial gallons.

Don't even get me started on Newfoundland measurements, which are technically Imperial; they use a job lot of liquid measures that I've never heard of anywhere else. And those good old Imperial units, the rundlet, tierce, kilderkin, pipe, butt, and tun, are best left to the beer and wine wholesalers. I've been perusing a table of them and I tell you my head hurts.

Here's a little secret for you: Even when you measure things in feet and inches, you're using metric in disguise. The standard yard is defined legally as 0.9144 m, which makes an inch exactly 2.54 cm. This was done in 1958, when the U.S. and the Commonwealth agreed to adopt the Canadian standard inch. Before that the U.S. yard was based on a very slightly different metric number, and the British yard was based on a standard yardstick. The differences were minute but enough to play hob with the specifications of interchangeable parts.

Remember, the U.S. system you're familiar with is only a highly modified and simplified subset of the actual Imperial system, which used to make arithmeticians grow old before their time and geometers turn in their graves. For my money, fluid measure is easier to deal with in metric at all times and for all purposes — except for buying beer at the pub, which is properly done in Imperial (not U.S.) pints and quarts. These units are based on a very rational and natural standard: the thirst of the average beer-drinker and the lifting power of his wrist.

22. johnsadowski - 07:16 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

you're leagues off on this one brian. what a bushel of nonsense!

23. Dave - 09:45 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

Yes. Yes it is confusing. Even without all those extra antique units. My brain hurts. I stand by my assertion: milliliters and liters, the picture of simplicity.

Incidentally, the base unit of mass is, believe it or not, the kilogram, not the gram—or at least it was a while back, and I have no reason to believe that’s changed. Back in the late seventies and early eighties, I had a giant poster printed by the feds that explained the whole Système International d'Unités beautifully, and it carefully noted that the kilogram was the only unit not based on a unit without a prefix and the only unit still based on a physical artifact. God knows why, and it proves even the SI is not without its idiosyncracies. It also noted that all US units were defined in terms of the SI.

And, yeah, the SI is arbitrary; I never considered that a factor, since any measurement system by its nature is arbitrary. That’s not what confounds me. What does is the plethora of units, names, and relations as opposed to a reasonably if not absolutely rigorous and simple set of suffixes and prefixes that always mean the same thing and a single relation.

Also, I suspect a significant factor is what one grew up with. I spent my formative years in what was then West Germany and was surrounded by the SI, as we didn’t live on base. I did, however, go to school on base—though, to be honest, I don’t remember getting a formal introduction to either system at the time.

I am slowly and painfully beginning to get a grasp of US liquid-measurement units, but it remains spotty and unintuitive. I find it suggestive that the liter is the only SI unit to make real headway in the US.

24. Keith - 11:35 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

"The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it."

Abe Simpson

25. BlogDog - 11:44 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

Kudos to Keith on that one. If I didn't see it here, I was going to Google it up.

As long as I don't have to figure out how to weigh myself in "stone," I'll prefer to use the units with which I grew up. And I'm not going to learn Esperanto either!

26. Dave - 12:17 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

Knew I forgot something. . . .

“Wow, that thing must be a mile long!”
“Wow, that thing must be a
kilometer long!”

The proper real-world answer: “Wow, that thing must be a klick long!” No, that’s not theoretical, that is honest-to-God the real nickname for a kilometer. I have heard it in use with my own ears.

Oh yeah, and when I lived in Germany, people would call a half-kilogram a Pfund or pound. Eh, close enough.

27. Sigivald - 13:41 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email )

Dave: "Klick" for KM has been in use in the US in military (and thus military fiction and history) circles since whenever the hell they transitioned over. Certainly it was well in use by Vietnam.

I agree the most with your first point, Brian - there's nothing shameful about not following The Rest Of The World down a path of arbitrary introduction of a system of measurement. (If the rest of the world went Fascist, there would likewise be no shame in holding back from following, though the Metric system, for all its faults and for being a Damnable Napoleonic Innovation, isn't even comparable. But the whole "everyone else is doing it!" argument has always been unconvincing.)

We already use metric units in the sciences and the military where it's appropriate.

28. Dave - 14:19 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

I’m a military brat and have been a mililtary fiction and SF fan most of my life, yeah, but I’ve encounted the use of “klick” elsewhere a few times as well. (I well recall as a teenager watching the fall of Saigon on television.)

Incidentally, “km” should be set lower case. (Type nerd moment.) Prefixes for mega- and larger are abbreviated with capital letters; smaller prefixes are abbreviated with lower-case letters. Why? God alone knows. It would make more sense if all larger-than-unit prefixes were capitalized, but that isn’t how it works. The abbreviation for meter, or metre if you prefer, is “m”, lower case.

29. J Greely - 15:42 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

My favorite highway sign of all time stood for many years on I-75, just south of Dayton. It read: "metric signs next 30 miles".

-j

30. curtis - 19:11 Thu 8/23/2007 ( email | web )

In terms of aesthetics, its worth noting that the musical scale is also divided into how many portions? That's right, 12. (That is, unless you're talking about music from India, the mid-east, etc. where they have chromatic scales with as many as 17 notes). Halves, 3rds, 4ths, and 6ths form the basis of Western music.

Just my 2 cents. (Pun intended)

31. LAN3 - 01:28 Sun 8/26/2007 ( email )

And here from the start of these comments, I was hoping someone would address the dearth of astronomical distance units that're anybit more universal than the three major units of astronomical measurement, all of which are based on the orbit of the Earth: AU, ly, and pc.

"Kessel Runs," perhaps?

And a league, by the way, varies a bit: sometimes it's the distance a man can walk in an hour (3 miles), and sometimes, it's a man on horseback at a walking pace (6 miles, if I'm not mistaken). Which is a brilliantly practical unit, or it would be if people walked.

I've also read that when submersibles are near the ocean bottom, they measure (as when they're not near the bottom) their depth in meters, but by tradition their distance from the bottom is measured in feet. And you think you calculate conversions under pressure!

32. Dave - 02:27 Mon 8/27/2007 ( email | web )

Something niggled at me about the observations on temperature scales, but it wasn’t until just now that I figured out what.

If I understand correctly, Brian, you ski but have never lived in snow country. I grew up in snow country until my mid-teens, and as a kid it made perfect sense to me that what was at the time still called the centigrade scale zeroed on the freezing point of water under sea-level conditions. This is a temperature that quite literally can mean life or death, and it looms pretty large in people’s eyes where frozen water tends to fall from the skies a lot.

It also made sense to me even then that if the scale zeroed at the freezing point of water, the boiling point of the same substance made a rational scaling point. Certainly I felt it more logical to base the scale on the attributes of a single substance that I, and most other people, interacted with on a daily basis and understood well, instead of on two separate, rather more esoteric things: the freezing point of salt water and human body temperature—especially when I found out that “normal” human body temperature varies at least as much as water freezing and boiling under most Earthlike conditions. Our mutual acquaintance Kim Liu’s body temperature tends to be around ninety-five or ninety-six, for instance; mine tends to be a bit higher than the standard of 98.6, an arbitrary value chosen simply because it’s exactly 37 C.

Aside from cooking pasta, brewing tea, and a host of other common activities still carried on today, consider that at the time the scale was devised boiling water was even more important to households and industry than it is today. For instance, I can remember, albeit just barely, living in houses that still used hot-water and live-steam radiators. (Like most kids, I managed to burn myself on them.)

As for the “sloppiness” of variation from STP . . . well, gosh, if the Fahrenheit scale can be excused for being imprecise, is it not inconsistent to deny the same slack to other scales? After all, changing conditions will affect any attempt to measure temperature, regardless of the scale used, and it’s gotta be pinned down somehow. Go down a way in the ocean, and it’s not freezing at zero F any more. In fact, if I recall correctly, that changes faster than the boiling point of water does as altitude increases.

But, yeah, I gotta say: the coarseness of Celsius degrees bothers me too.

33. András Puiz - 02:27 Wed 8/29/2007 ( email | web )

Not adopting the metric system is backward simply because the world has agreed on a standard, and failure to do so inhibits communication.

Which system one prefers is nothing more than a mere question of habit. The metric system is alien to you, and the English system is alien to us. I don't think either is inherently better or worse. You can find excuses for both.

I absolutely do not agree with your statement that the English system would be "rediscovered." That shows that you have a clear bias for that system. Believe me: the metric system is just fine. The shortcuts that help your calculations using the English system are simply habits you've formed: you'd form the same habits in the metric system.

Not you, mind you: your descendants. I don't think an adult could easily adapt to a new system of measurements.

If the U.S. were to adopt the metric system, it would be painful for a few generations, but then: poof! The English system would be gone forever. Just like our old, conflicting systems were gone.

Oh, by the way, you could still keep using your old units in idioms and expressions. We do that in Europe a lot.

I converse a lot with Americans, and I've come to the point where I have a "feel" for how much a weight in pounds would be in kilograms. When I hear someone's height listed in feet and inches, I have as good an idea about it than in meters, though my brain will also automatically do the calculation into the metric system. That's what I grew up using, and I think it would take me decades to adapt to another system.

34. Brian Tiemann - 09:11 Wed 8/29/2007 ( email | web )

Oh, sure, I know it would be objectively better if the whole world used one system. Then we wouldn't have Mars probes burning up in the atmosphere and such. I'm just trying to point out some of the benefits of a system that's all but lost for good.

Any schoolchild can tell you what a wonderful world it would be if they didn't have to learn fractions. But kids today can't tie shoes either, and is that a good thing?
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