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Sunday, May 27, 2007
10:53 - Really bad eggs

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I saw Pirates 3 yesterday, and I'd say it was a fitting end to the series: bewilderingly convoluted, full of inexplicable prophecies and rituals, and proof that the 1700s was the most explosion-filled century of them all. It had a ridiculous premise and not even a wink toward historical accuracy, but hey, that's what makes these things fun: that and, apparently, a multicultural Super Best Friends league of Pirate Lords that genuflect before an ancient codified tome of Pirate Laws, followed more slavishly than any mythical race of superbeings—cowboys or Elvis impersonators or carnies—has ever followed their graven-in-stone Code, and kept safe by Keith Richards in a Jack Sparrow Halloween costume. Yeah, it was lots of fun.

But what the hell was up with that first five minutes?

The movie opens with a scene of the hanging of a bunch of pirate scum at the hands of the British Navy, while an officious herald/narrator intones that because of the Pirate Threat, the officer in charge of the Caribbean region has declared a State of Emergency, with the effect that all kinds of "statutes" guaranteeing various freedoms have been rendered inoperative. Uh—"temporarily."

Right to assemble: suspended!
Right to habeas corpus: suspended!
Right to legal counsel: suspended!
Any one found guilty of piracy will be hanged by the neck until dead!

And then we see a sweet and innocent boy singing a woeful piratical dirge as the cruel soldiers put the noose around his neck, and soon the refrain is taken up by all the dozens of honest-eyed condemned (most surely rounded up by the Thought Police on the strength of tips from disgruntled neighbors rather than being actual pirates, even though the kid did have a Piece of Eight and they all do know the pirate song in all its indistinctly defined power) as they shuffle to the gallows, as a sort of arr-me-mateys version of "We Shall Overcome".

Sorry, but where were all these rights enshrined in colonial Imperial England? The Magna Carta? And hey, why stop there—was The right to not have your library records seized or your phones tapped—suspended! a little too much of a historical stretch?

Maybe I'm just a bit oversensitive to these kinds of hamfisted theatrics in movies these days, but the dual messages I got from this sequence were: 1) Terrorists = Pirates; and 2) Pirates are the good guys. Nod nod wink wink. That, plus the fact that the baddies were all agents of the East India Company (dun dun DUNNN) rather than the British Empire, even to the extent of the Evil Officer's body falling in an iconic "Y" onto the branching arms of the EIC flag floating in the water at the end, make me wonder if there is any movie that can conceivably be made these days that's safe from being turned into some kind of adolescent mewling about Guantanamo or WMDs. I confidently wait for the next Harry Potter installment, in which the Order of the Phoenix dons the wizarding equivalent of Che Guevara fatigues and storms the offices of the Ministry of Magic where robed desk clerks hunch over the paperwork for cushy no-bid contracts for Wizardburton.

"It's just good business!" Criminy.

That aside, though: big, dumb, and full of fun. Who knew those Disneyland Imagineers back in the 50s had come up with all this convoluted mythology and heraldry when they were putting together that silly carnival boat ride?

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23 comments

1. Gordon - 12:49 Sun 5/27/2007

You can joke about it in a snide way all you want. But the suspension of habeas corpus is a big deal. And if some dopey hokey movie tries to promote these values so be it.

It is really unfortunate that you can be so callous about the erosion of civil liberties. I guess it is a statement of a generation of people raised post star wars. To them storm troopers are merely caricatures, not the scary reflection of SS. But the gestapo was a much more serious reality. It happened in Germany, it happened under Stalin, it happened under Saddam, don't doubt that it can happen here.

It is most important to pay attention to one's own back yard. Your freedom to go and watch bad movies should not be taken for granted. Recognize that there are important constitutional values that make America great, stuff like the rule of law. Not trivialities like abortion or gun control or gay marriage. We are a country that respects the rule of law and cherish freedom. So when someone like Bush comes along and puts that tradition on its head all for the sake of dubious security objectives you can bet people will be upset.

We must be vigilant against totalitarianism. Even in its more campy forms (like Bush).

2. Brian Tiemann - 13:38 Sun 5/27/2007 ( email | web )

I'm sure Gore Verbinski et al. think they're great heroic rebels for sneaking these messages in under the watchful gaze of Big Brother. What gets me is that they never seem to notice that far from being suppressed, theirs is the ONLY VIEWPOINT EVER PRESENTED. In some countries people have to fight for the right to make even a veiled reference to the government not being infallible or perfect; whereas here in Hollywood you're a heretic if you suggest that the government is in any way a force for good. Some police state.

3. Jeff Medcalf - 14:41 Sun 5/27/2007 ( email | web )

Yeah, I had fun at the movie, but to do so I continually had to push the babbling and incoherent political messages (which were, thankfully, not the major feature of the movie) out of my brain as they were spewed. Still not as good, by far, as the first movie, and I was disappointed to see they set up for another movie at the end, but it was fun and engaging and worth the price of admission.

4. J.M. Heinrichs - 14:54 Sun 5/27/2007 ( email )

Some people like to ignore minor details of law, such as pirates (like illegal combatants) are technically "hors de loi" or outlaws. Thus they are ineligible for any of the rights accorded to the citizenry. They cannot be deprived of rights since they have none.

Cheers

5. Planetary Gear - 15:22 Sun 5/27/2007

Wizardburton!!! LOL, now I have to clean the beer out of my keyboard. At least I wasn't drinking good whiskey. Old grandpa Stonebender says that at the gates o heaven you'll be suspended head first in a barrel of all the irish whiskey that you wasted in your life, and if you drown, then to hell with you!

How did Che ever get to be cool? He killed WAY more innocent women and children than George W in even the most paranoid fantasy...

6. Wonderduck - 23:21 Sun 5/27/2007 ( email | web )

Mick Jagger? Um... I do not think you stayed for the credits, neh?

7. Brian Tiemann - 23:44 Sun 5/27/2007 ( email | web )

D'oh. Keith Richards. Sorry—everyone was telling me it was Mick Jagger.

8. JF - 11:29 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email )

First they came for the pirates, but I was not a pirate...

But in all seriousness, Brian doesn't get it. Habeas Corpus has been part of English law since the thirteenth century. It is kind of a big deal and rescinding it for one person is one person too many. Most of the people at Gitmo aren't even terrorists, they were just rounded up and ratted on in exchange for a cash reward, this is a fact. Even a lot of the people who actually qualify as "terrorists" there aren't even big fish, they are just low-rung gangbangers that the government doesn't even have proper evidence on. Yet they are all treated as some sort of combination of Hitler and Benedict Arnold. It's really really bad and is as Un-American as it gets.

Just because Gore Verbinski (or Brian Tiemann for that matter) isn't being locked up for saying these things doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Brian's obviously a smart guy, but his "If you're not doing anything wrong it's okay" viewpoint has not changed even though there's plenty of evidence of unlawful surveillance and Patriot Act abuse. I suppose part of it is contrarian, being that he lives in the capital of 9/11 looneyville and what not, but still, Brian, open up your eyes! The US government is doing some really, really bad stuff right now.

9. Brian Tiemann - 15:38 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email | web )

Whereas instead we should have...

1) Not rounded anybody up (hey, it's not like anyone was going to complain that we weren't doing anything in response to 9/11, right?)

2) Only rounded up big fish (we bought the wrong magic terrorist identifying machine at the Sharper Image, apparently)

3) Given everybody fair trials with all the rights and privileges pertaining to US citizens (so we could enjoy months if not years of headlines full of prisoners' Moussaoui-esque accusations and lose whatever bargaining and intelligence-gathering power we ever might have had)

Or what? What would the Perfect Ideal Government have done after 9/11? I'd like to hear some theories.

(Some might say "Censored movies and stand-up comedians from criticizing the government's actions", but note well that it's not me that's saying that. All I'm saying is that I'd occasionally like to watch a movie that doesn't reiterate the same tired, tired, tired bellyaching I've been hearing for six years now with nary a single of the dire consequences people have constantly been warning of coming true. I hear they're even planning on holding normal presidential elections next year as scheduled.)

10. Andrea Harris - 17:00 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email | web )

Well, there's another movie I'm going to not bother seeing.

11. JF - 19:01 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email )

Brian that is a ridiculous strawman. The options aren't, "let Osama buy a house on Main Street" or "torture, imprison, wage indiscriminate war". All the 1993 WTC bombers are in jail. Yea that may not have stopped terrorism dead in its tracks but guess what, al-Qaeda is stronger because of the Iraq War. The liquid mix in planes thing was thwarted by old-fashioned police work.

Jose Padilla is an American citizen that was seized by our government and tortured for years. There really was no evidence he was the "worst of the worst" as Bush and Rumsfeld described him as. He was a thug, sure. He may even have had some al-Qaeda contacts. But. Where. Is. The. Evidence? There isn't any. And because of our courts the government has to show their hand and we know it isn't jack.

That is why, my friend, habeas corpus and the like is so important. If the government can arrest and torture Jose Padilla forever just because it feels like it... well then America has failed. Because we kinda, like, declared our independence to get away from that. You know that.

And, well, how do you know there is no "dire consequence"? The Administration has worked very, very, very hard to keep it under wraps. To use Rumsfeld's own words, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". But it's not like there is NO evidence. The little we have seen has been very frightening indeed. It's been reported on, you know: the warrantless wiretapping, the National Security Letter abuse, the phone record seizing, etc. I reckon it will be a long while before we see it all.

12. Brian Tiemann - 19:49 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email | web )

So in a world where the evil geniuses are so marvelous at concealing evidence of their countless crimes that we won't discover the extent of it for decades, we all get to sit on our comfortable couches and watch hour after hour of movies and TV shows that depict the government as different from Hitler's only in its incompetence, and I can't go to breakfast with a bunch of car guys without the obligatory 9/11 conspiracy theories and table-wide chorus of gratuitous "Can't we impeach the bastard now?"

I'm not asking people to agree with me; I know that's futile. I'm just asking them to please give it a rest once in a while. I spend all freaking day hearing about how I'm living in a police state, often directly from the very media organs that real police states use to enforce the police state. All I'm asking is to have an occasional break from being told how the world is going to hell.

But hey, feel free to keep hammering. Sooner or later I'll crack and confess. I hate the Leader!

13. kbiel - 20:47 Mon 5/28/2007 ( email )

Jose Padilla is an American citizen that was seized by our government and tortured for years.


No Jose Padilla was an American citizen as far as I'm concerned. There are two ways to give up your citizenship, renounce your citizenship (it helps if you are already outside of the U.S. when doing this) or fight with our enemies against us. Mr. Padilla chose the latter. It is unfortunate that our President lacked the spine to prosecute this case as it should have been prosecuted. First by fighting the petition for writ of habeas corpus by certifying that Mr. Padilla had relinquished his right of citizenship by adhering to our enemies. There were echoes of this position in their arguing that declaring him an illegal enemy combatant was legal and proper for the President to do. Something that no court hearing the case so far has found improper.

As for the torture you allege, would you care to cite any testimony or evidence that Mr. Padilla was tortured other than his own claims? I want you to think this through very carefully. Why do you find someone who intended to kill innocent American citizens on our own soil more credible than our own government? What credibility is due to a man who has a long criminal record before converting to Islam and deciding to visit such lovely places as Saddam Hussein's Iraq? Does Mr. Padilla gain credibility in your eyes because you really believe him to be an honest person or because you would prefer anybody over agreeing with any policy position by a President you detest?

BTW, these are rhetorical questions. I don't believe that I will gain any enlightenment by your sloganeered answers. I only hope that you might take a moment to think critically about who you prefer to be on your side: a hateful, criminal islamist or the President who was chosen by a majority of your fellow citizens.

14. disconnect - 05:06 Tue 5/29/2007 ( email )

As a follow-up rhetorical question, who do you think is "the government": a bunch of evil thugs, or people like you and me?

15. ltugo - 05:49 Tue 5/29/2007 ( email )

The word "torture" gets tossed around these days with reckless abandon in wildly inappropriate situations. Although I have no firsthand knowledge of Jose Padilla's case, I can say I was operations and training officer for the Navy guard battalion at Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay from August 2005 to February 2006. I can testify that under my watch there was absolutely NO "torture" taking place at that facility, with or without scare quotes. The most any of my charges ever experienced was having to sit in the sun for an hour while the CIVILIAN interpreter decided to finish his lunch before arriving to complete a transfer. The U.S. Bureau of Prisons came and spent a week inspecting us, after which they summarized their report by saying "Why are you coddling these guys?" Meanwhile, soldiers recently liberated 15 Iraqis held prisoner in an Al Qaida torture facility - many with broken limbs and wounds caused by whips and chains. So choose your words carefully, please.

16. JF - 06:54 Tue 5/29/2007 ( email )

Where. Is. The. Evidence? If the government had the evidence that Padilla was a monster terrorist, the worst of the worst, in their own words, they could have presented it. That is part of something called, you know, "the justice system", a system invented both to make sure the accused have their proper rights and to make sure the government lacks the power to detain people indefinitely with no evidence. Now it is coming out that the government's evidence of the criminal conspiracy charges are rather... flimsy. Great.

That's the problem here. See, the government, any government, can say someone is a terrorist, someone wants to "kill American citizens on their own soil", etc. etc. But the point of a trial, the point of habeas corpus, is for the government to PROVE it is so. It is a check on tyranny and it was designed as such and used throughout the ages. This system has been used for a long time and got us through the worst points in human history and I have no reason to believe it is insufficient to deal with the Islamist rabble.

I fully support this President and any other vigorously pursuing and prosecuting people who attempt to kill Americans. I had few objections to any actions (that we at least knew about) between about 9/11 and Iraq - Afghanistan, crackdown on financing sources, etc. I just strenously object to the idea that this or any other President has the power to declare someone to be a terrorist by decree and stripping away and all rights to a trial. September 11th was a ghastly event (I live not far from NYC and saw the flaming towers with my own eyes) but the paranoia and fear that has gripped this country since has been truly dissapointing.

Nice trick, though, accusing me of being a terrorist lover. People of your sort LOVE to do that.

17. Brummbar - 07:55 Tue 5/29/2007 ( web )

"I'm sure Gore Verbinski et al. think they're great heroic rebels for sneaking these messages in under the watchful gaze of Big Brother. What gets me is that they never seem to notice that far from being suppressed, theirs is the ONLY VIEWPOINT EVER PRESENTED."

Brian, this is S.O.P. for the Left. Empty, self-congratulatory pseudo-courage comprises half of their rhetoric - the other half being slandering even the mildest disagreement as being "________-ism" or ________-phobia."

Of course, when real trouble comes a'knockin, their truth-to-power-speaking ranks thin out considerably. Witness the craven submission of so many TV, newspaper and other media folks regarding the famous Danish Cartoons.

How bold would Verbinbski, et alia be if there actually were some kind of Office of Media Patriotism with the power to call them on the carpet? Place your bets.

18. Sigivald - 14:16 Tue 5/29/2007 ( email )

JF: Al Quaeda is "stronger"?

Well, it might have more press. But it also has a lot more senior people getting killed or arrested.

Please show us your Al Quaeda Strengthometer?

(PS. If one counted only casualties on US troops, one would have believed that Imperial Japan was only getting stronger in 1944 and 1945...)

19. Dave - 20:04 Wed 5/30/2007 ( email | web )

It may not be deliberate or even conscious on the part of the moviemakers. It may be simply that their worldviews are so saturated by these attitudes that they literally cannot conceive of any other approach. I’m not saying I believe that is the case, I’m just saying it could be the case.

20. Bard - 14:53 Thu 5/31/2007 ( email )

From the trailers, Fudge's lot seem to have a lot of communist imagery attached. Bizarre. Less damning to Hollywood than the book Fudge, mind you.

21. Chris M - 19:21 Thu 5/31/2007 ( email )

As if to prove Brian's point, here's a quote from the USA Today piece on the upcoming "Speed Racer" flick (May 2008, allegedly):

'The film, [Joel] Silver says, will have a "retro future" look and will center on Speed (Hirsch) trying to make a name for himself in the racing world despite the efforts of corporate giants to foil his career.'

Because there's nothing that says 'evil' like the word 'corporate'.

22. Chris M - 19:22 Thu 5/31/2007 ( email )

Oops, forgot the link: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-05-30-speed-racer_N.htm

23. Brian Tiemann - 23:40 Thu 5/31/2007 ( email | web )

Yeah—I'm being pretty facetious about the Harry Potter thing, largely because Order of the Phoenix is all about the right to bear arms and defend oneself against an oppressive central government that seeks to disarm the citizenry. As long as Rowling is involved in the movie's production, I doubt that theme will change that much...
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